Intelligent Investing #64 - Investing in your Mental Health with Casey Dubravcic Part 2 of 2

Investing in your physical and mental health part 2 of 2

In this episode Glenn Leest and Jeff Oravitz talk with Glenn's guest Casey Dubravcic about investing in your mental health. Casey is a  Psychiatric Mental Health Nurse Practitioner (PMHNP). In this Episode we discuss:

•Why is investing in your mental health crucial to your career development
•What benefits has Casey seen with the medical interventions he is providing for clients. 
•Trauma, why is this something we need to discuss? 
•Doesn’t time heal all wounds? 
•If something traumatic happened to us growing up, does it just go away with time? Glenn what are your thought in that area
•When someone’s mental health int going well, what sort of consequences or negative affects might we see in their physical well being, one’s work life, family life or really any area? 
•What is something Glenn wish he knew earlier in his life regarding mental health? 


Casey and Jill Dubravcic have a clinic that specializes in helping Depression, OCD, Substance Abuse, Anxiety, PTSD, Bipolar and Chronic Pain treatment through medically assisted Ketamine infusions.  You can learn more about the services Casey offers and learn more about some of the new and exciting developments in the mental health field.

Casey Dubravcic - Psychiatric Mental Health Nurse Practitioner (PMHNP)

https://revitalizeketamine.com/
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1800 South Milton Road, Suite 26, Flagstaff, AZ, 86001
Office Number for the clinic: (928) 440-8762
 
 
 
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Welcome to Intelligent Investing with Glenn Leest. I'm your host, Jeff Oravitz. Uh, we're continuing here, part two of a two-part series with. Dubravcic, who is with the Revitalized Ketamine clinic and Glenn Leest is here, of course. Um, it's your show, so you got to be here, right? Uh, yeah, how you doing, Glenn? Doing well.

We got into a lot last week and I, I think what we should do, we always assume that maybe new people are listening and reintroduce your guest, Casey Dubravcic and, um, what he does and how this can help with your mental health and your life. And then also every going to investing, you know, things like. Yeah, so last week we just talked about the importance of investing in your mental health.

Because if you're not, if your mental health isn't well, then your physical health isn't going to, well, you're not going to be able to make decisions well and it's just going to affect every area of your life. And we're finding more and more that, um, we, we struggle with, uh, mental health as a nation and it's not being addressed.

And so I wanted to bring light to that because I think if you do address it, um, you'll find that you become a better version of you, more able to function, better able to cope. So I asked Casey to come on the show. And he focuses in on really modalities that can help break down some pretty serious trauma that maybe you can't do in other, other routes because um, you know, talking with a counselor or a therapist is great and amazing, but there's some stuff that's so hardwired into your brain that you really need maybe some additional help to do that.

And so that's where Casey comes in. He runs the, uh, the Ketamine Revitalized clinic. Um, just say that right? Or the Rev Revitalized Ketamine Clinic. Sorry, I said it backwards. You got it. Um, over by. Right next to campus coffee bean and by five guys. And so, um, and he's a psychiatric mental health mm-hmm.

nurse practitioner. Yep. Yep. So wanted to have him come on, talk about that, because that's a very newer, it, it, I shouldn't say newer, but it's not as well known as you might think. And so, but it can be a very powerful tool. So Casey, um, tell me a little bit about your clinic and, um, kind of your background and, uh, how you got to where you were as a career.

Yeah. Excellent. Yeah, I appreciate the intro and thanks for having me, guys. Really appreciate you both. Um, so I love what you. You know, in regards to helping people break down that trauma. So I've been in mental health and, you know, traditional medical model for the last, um, almost 20 years now, and I got real jaded on those traditional treatments and that they're just treating symptoms.

So you think of, um, psychiatric. is real basic. Depression is a waveform. Anxiety is a waveform. Depression lives down here, anxiety's up here, and it's just a, most people live in that depressive phase, but that anxiety of hypervigilance, any of those medications we traditionally prescribe in psychiatry, they just cut off the top on the bottom of that waveform.

So people may be less depressed, maybe be less anxious, but kind of less everything. I hear that term zombified a lot. And so what we're doing here is really helping people help themselves. So what we do is what's called the intrinsic response methodology. And so the whole premise of that is you'll always be your best healer.

Hmm. And so you cut your hand and I put a Band-Aid on it and I healing it. Of course not. Right. You're still healing it. Hmm. So your brain doesn't like living in this anxious distress state either. So we are seeing people. , these, this can be life-changing treatments for them. Hmm. Um, that being said, I tell everyone, no one needs ketamine.

No one needs an ego dissolution agent to get them to a healthier head space. There's a million other headway to get to a healthier head space. But in general, uh, ketamine's the fastest, most robust way. A sense of community physical activity, um, therapy, psychotherapy, like you said, all those things can help get you there.

ketamine is like two or three years of real quality psychotherapy, um, as far as breaking down walls. So let's, let's talk maybe a little bit about what that entails. So someone comes in and says, Hey, I've got trauma. You do an intake form, find out what they're looking to accomplish or where we need to cover.

You basically hook them up to an iv, um, get them set up, get them on the monitors, and then they do a, basically a slow infusion, a really low dose of that, um, at the Ketamine And what it, and what happens during that time. Yeah, so like, uh, there's Big Ts and little Ts. Uh, big ts are big traumas, little ts are little traumas.

And, um, really processing through those is. Medicine. And so when you get out of your own way, I like this analogy, like you're in the movie being barraged by trauma. Mm-hmm.  like you're Jason born, everyone's, you know, attacking you, you're running fight fighter freeze. And then ketamine takes you from being that actor in that movie, being barraged by that trauma and puts you in the back row of the movie theater.

Hmm. So you can see your own subjective situation objectively and really be able to let go of the past. Mm-hmm. , um, safely. That being said, we do a bunch of upfront work. So before I set someone down for a ketamine session, I do like. And a half of upfront work going through augmentation strategies, going through other ways that they can help themselves and not everyone's a good fit.

Like some people aren't ready to do it and aren't ready for a change. Hmm. Um, and then afterwards we have what's called an integration session where we just let them kind of. Express everything that they felt. That being said, like you said, with talk therapy, uh, human language is a blessing and a curse in that it's a huge reducing valve.

So much of the human experience is ineffable. Like you can't describe it exactly what it feels like. Like my version of joy is different than Jeff's is different than yours. And so, , um, that, that's a lot of what ketamine is for people. Like I'm asking, how was it? And they're like, ah, there's just no words.

Yeah. And that's okay. So in full disclosure, I did a couple sessions of ketamine, uh, with your clinic, and that's a great way of saying it. It's hard to describe what the experience is like. It's maybe like 45 minutes or something like that.  and, um, exactly like you, you described it, it's like you're able to see your life, um, from outside.

Like you're able to be on the outside looking in and look at it more objectively of like, here's, you know, what's really going on. Here's maybe what I, you know, when I was in the, the moments or in the movie, if you will, I was thinking this pattern, but then when I'm outside looking in, I can go, Hey, well that, that thought process wasn't correct.

I mean, that's not true and I need a different perspective. And so it was really kind of interesting. And so, um, I, I found it very useful. Um, I don't even know how I, I got connected with you guys. I was, um, looking at different mental health stuff and, uh, no, you know what it was, I walked past your guys', uh, uh, building and I saw it when I was, I'd get in a cup of coffee and I was like, what is revitalized Ketamine clinic?

And so I started doing some research. I'm like, oh, it's pretty cool. And, and some of it actually can be used for really, um, Unmanaged pain too. So if people have really bad chronic pain, they can also use these, uh, same modality to help break through pain. And actually, if you go on YouTube, um, I looked at a couple videos where people came into the ER and had massive chronic back pain and they did ketamine infusion, and it was like, boom.

Instantly they're just feeling better. And you're like, this is crazy. Like, Hey Glen, can I say something here? Because I mean, you do this show, we're up to 40, 60 something, I can't remember episodes. Intelligent investing and. You're a financial planner, obviously. Investment advisor. Investment planner.

You bet. Sorry. Investment advisor. And I'm throwing this off the top of my head because I just thought of this and you kind of put your life out there. And some people might look at, because you're doing all these shows and a lot of investment advisors and stuff, you don't get into the details of their lives.

Sure. Like you do. Yeah. And I, it can be, people can look at that and say, well wait a second, you're talking about, this could be maybe a controversial topic here. Sure. To a degree, because you're talking about keta.  and you, you're talking about issues that I don't think a lot of financial planners Sure, exactly.

Would talk about, um, is this a stigmatized thing? I, I guess Casey, when you, when you discuss things like this, because you're always willing to bring these subjects out there and say, Hey, here's, here's things to try, here's things to do to try to make your life better when it comes to your personal life and investing, et cetera, et cetera.

I'll answer my part and then I will kick over to Casey. So my thought on anything new is I'm willing to look at it and research and learn and then weigh out the pros and the cons. So that's exactly what I did with the ketamine as at first I was like, isn't that the stuff that people take that, uh, make some crazy, you know?

And the answer is yes, it is a street drug, um, but it can also be used in the medical facility, so in a medical setting. So I was doing a lot of research and I realized, hey, this could be a really, um, great. Thing for me to help in this area. And so I came into it a little bit skeptical. Mm-hmm. . And as I did more research, I found, hey, this actually can be quite, uh, beneficial.

And so I take that approach in a lot of different areas of life. And I think a lot of us should, you know, be, you don't, we don't need to be completely accepting of everything, but at least be open to researching and learning and then be able to, because if you don't have enough information to make a decision, then you're really not making How can Yeah, exactly.

And I tell clients, You know that we are coming in or, you know, trying to interview us. I say, Hey, look, well, let's just learn about each other and learn about what we do. And then from there, you'll have enough information to make an informed decision of whether we want to work together or not. Um, but if you don't do that, you know, it's kind of hard to make an informed decision.

So that's kind of how I look at it. And yeah, I, I do put a lot of my information out there. Um, hopefully people view that as a positive of I'm a human, I'm authentic, uh, and I'm not perfect. But, uh, no, I'm saying it in a good way, way. A lot of people you don't know, most people, . Well in, in this day. We know a lot about it, but, but to be able to talk about these things Sure.

And put that out there. Yeah. No, I mean, those are great points. And I do love your authenticity, Glen. You know, that's why I invest with you and I, I think that you are bringing the best version of yourself to every interaction that you're able to, and I appreciate that and respect that. And I really love that you're so open and honest with your experience because, you know, these are life-changing treatments for people.

Do, you know, it still has a big stigma. Uh, unfortunately any sort of mental health going to therapy, like you said. Yeah. People are like, oh, you go into therapy and then, you know, they're just tucking their emotions, decked down underneath that rug. And then, you know, they're buying cover up their, you know, their, their feelings and, and you know, excuse my French share

But, um, you know, they like, there's all. Societal constructs that don't allow you to get out of your own way. Hmm. Um, we know that our society in general, the way it's constructed right now is not very conducive to mental wellness. Yeah. Um, and, and we know there's a lot of different ways to get better, but in general, um, like I said, ketamine's the most robust, fastest, most effective therapy that we have.

Better than emdr, better than talk therapy. Um, for most people, 70 to 90. Percent effective in allowing them to treat their problems, causing their symptoms. Exactly. And traditional medications, like all the medications I prescribe, SSRIs, SNRI’s, stabilizers, anti-psychotics, 10 to 30% effective. And like I said, just treating those symptoms.

Mm-hmm. Not the root underlying cause. Right. Yeah, so, so it's like, Uh, y yeah. If you've got an issue, a lot of times the symptom is, is what you see first. You know? So if you're just treating the symptom, you're not really treating the root of what's actually causing it. So, um, if you're have chronic heartburn, say as a, as a physical problem, if you just take the an acids, it'll cover the symptoms, but, Well, why are you having heartburn in the beginning to start with?

Like, is there something wrong with your diet? Is there something wrong with your GI system? Is there something else going on? I mean, yeah, you can treat the symptom indefinitely, but I think a lot of modern medicine sometimes falls with that trap of just treating the symptom but not treating the root cause.

And so you're more focused on saying, Hey, what's the root of the issue? Right? How can we get down to that? How do, how can we start un-bearing, you know, and uncovering the roots. You know of the tree of the issue and then, you know, address it and go from there. Make it, get it healthier. Exactly. We've been a potentiated illness model for the last a hundred plus years in our medical system in that the insurance industry, pharmaceutical industry, and honestly most providers are incentivized to keep you on a daily pill, keep you back in scene

And so we're every vial, ketamine clinic, working off that wellness model. I give you all those tools, so hopefully never see you again. We do that series of six treatments and one month booster that gives you that full 80 plus days that we know. On the long end of science, of habit creation, habit breaking.

Um, and so then I want to see you in Safeway, give you high five, you know, see you, your investment office, but I, I don't want to see you again at the clinic. If we, the tools that we give you are, you know, life changing like they can be for people. There's this one, one good piece of artwork that I think really resonates that I want to share.

This patient did it after her series. She was walking on this path into this beam of light and then walking out of the darkness, and then she's like, I was going to draw that behind me. That darkness a lot darker. But I realized it was my perception that it was that dark. We'd love to hear from you and, and you can give Glenn a call anytime at (928) 225-2474.

Uh, when we do programs like this too, it's, you, you mentioned going into the store and you run into people. Uh, this isn't, you run into people, Glen Yeah. Uh, you run into people, Casey, and, and that's, that's the great thing about the smaller communities. Mm-hmm. , uh, throughout Northern Arizona. So if you're anywhere throughout northern Arizona, including the Prescott area, the Verde Valley, Flagstaff area, Glen would love to hear from you.

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Hi. Welcome back to Intelligent Investing with Glenn Leest. Remember to subscribe to the podcast by looking up intelligent investing on your favorite podcast provider. Give Glenn a call anytime at (928) 225-2474 or email intelligent invest. At WT wealth management.com, we're here with Casey Dubravcic, who's with the Revitalized Ketamine Clinic.

He's a psychiatric mental health nurse practitioner. Uh, we've covered a lot, including the last episode of the show. Um, the state of the mental health of the country. Yeah. Um, is, yeah, it's kind of down  to say the least. Heartburn won't cover up all that. I wonder if that guy from the crypto, what's that?

That Brickman. Oh, he needs some heartburn. Do you think he even, maybe he doesn't even. Who knows, maybe he needs something that's, that's a crazy, we'll save that for another show. But, um, how does all this help with investing with, um, your daily life, your business life, your professional life, your personal life?

Yeah. I think that's kind of getting to the, the root of the, the issue, Glenn, yeah. Going forward. And that's why you brought this forward in the two part series. , you know, we should have our, uh, friends from down in Scottsdale that run the, uh, cryptocurrency fund, uh, Bitcoin fund on the show in a couple weeks to discuss that.

We should, yeah. Yeah. They're actually coming up, so we'll have to get both, but yes. Yeah. Why does it affect, um, or how does it affect, uh, those areas? Um, you know, if you're, if you're not well, , you know, mentally you're going to, your job performance is going to suffer. Your relationships are going to suffer. You know, if you're, you know, got kids, maybe you're short or you are more irritable around them because you have these triggers or issues, or you're just sorting through stuff, or you're just emotionally drained.

I think it has like, you know, they. , they have this phrase in a relationship, you know, if you're married, called the love bank, right? And they say, you know, when you're overdrawn, you know, it's, you know, not a good thing. You want to build up your love bank. And I think the same with your emotional and your mental health bank.

You know, if you're completely depleted, you don't really have a whole lot to give. And so it's important to work on you, work on yourself, your own mental health. Because then you're going to be the best version of you. So, um, but if you don't, I mean it causes, you know, insomnia, anxiety, depression, uh, poor thinking, um, poor coping mechanisms.

You know, Casey said, you know, some people when they are dealing with, you know, negative emotions, they bottle it up and then just go do retail therapy, which is what, they just spend a bunch of money and that's a real thing. I mean, anyone that's. Dealt with any kind of pain or issues and they've resorted to buying a bunch of stuff to make them feel better.

Um, you know, it, it masks it temporarily until that shiny thing you bought is no longer doing, you have to buy another shiny thing. So it also caused a lot of distress in your financial life if you do that. So, seems to be a ton of psychiatrists out there, and therapists, et cetera. I mean, it, it, it's, it doesn't seem to be.

Helping a lot with the state of the country. I mean, I'm talking about retail, like, like, like, um, definitely like Glen is talking about this. Yeah. It's all dopamine, dopamine, dopamine. So that's the addiction chemical and uh, like the doom scroll on Instagram or Facebook where you're just like liking and, you know, just scrolling indefinitely or the Netflix binges, the Game of Thrones or you know, it goes back.

It's, I did that  right. A lot of people did . Yeah. Say like, you get that quick up, I mean, pay. So, but long term, I mean, short term it makes you feel good, but long term it's not helping you. So because you're not growing and improving your life, you're not addressing issues. But short term, some of these things, you know, give people that immediate dopamine release, which why is, why it feels good.

Because if it doesn't feel good, you're not going to probably do it. Mm-hmm.  so. Yeah. Yeah. AB absolutely. What do you, do you have any like books and further information? I mean, that, that people, oh my gosh, shit, it's such a large body of evidence. Um, and, you know, resources available to people, I think one that can really be pretty eye-opening,

But like, uh, first four pages took me as long to read as the rest of the books, just because it's so heady. Uh, but the Four Agreements, Don Miguel Ru. Um, so we know that like the medicine that we're providing in our clinic, um, you know, resets, chemical resets have been around since at least 8,000 bc. Um, and they've been kind of pushed aside, um, more aggressively around 1,580.

They were used very extensively in like Catalonia. Um, but then it wasn't until the 1960s, 1970s when they started coming back into a play and so, That, that four agreements book is really good. Um, the, uh, the, I don't remember the name of the other one. It's like the bridge or return to something came out in the eighties and it talks about the history of that.

With that being said, I think there's, it was done. Improperly At that time, I think a lot of the clinicians started dipping into their own supply, became overzealous about the treatments and their effectiveness. Started joking about it being in the water supplier, giving it to politicians. So I got kind of hard lined myself to not use what I'm prescribing, um, in that, you know, I want to keep this treatment available for people for longer.

So the power of now Eckhart Tole book, I think that's super good one. Um, just lets you be present and then because some things aren't going to change. You know, there's some persistent traumas of just existing in day-to-day society, and so the more okay you can get with that, the better off you'll be. And, and that's what we're helping people to do.

Yeah. When you talk about the, you know, the power of being present in the moment, I think that's something we struggle with a lot of times because everyone's, you know, talking to their friend or out at dinner and you see their cell phones out. You're like, what? Why wait, what are you doing? Are you texting each other like you're texting Joe and.

Scrolling Facebook and you're like, aren't you guys supposed to be socializing? And I had one person, they were like, uh, it was a story where they were being coached by one of our, our, our friends that was previous on the show. And they're like, oh, I'm just not doing as well, you know, in business when I, you know, think I should be doing better.

And they're like, well, you got to put your phone down when you're meeting with people. And they're like, oh, really, really? Like this is, this is an easy no-brainer, but you just need to be present in, in there. Put the phone away, it's, you know, you're not a neurosurgeon. You know, if you miss a call, you know no one's going to die.

You know? Yeah. What's so important that everybody's is so connected all the time. I know, right? When it comes to your personal life's investing businesses, the predict productivity levels in this country are lowest, mm-hmm. , uh, for forever. We're going back to like World War II or something. I've seen a recent stat and it's like, how are we less productive when we have all.

Means in front of us. So all this technology distract that's supposed to make us more productive. And it's not so distracted. So distracted and maybe even taking in more info than any human being was designed to. Um, I, I heard or John heard a stat that in one day we probably have more information that we, you know, input or consume than someone in the 17 hundreds probably had their almost no lot of lifetime, their whole lifetime.

because you know, you think about in the 17 hundreds, how did information travel back and forth. Okay. You had to go, you know, ride the horse down the road. Yeah. And see your neighbor talk to them and they had to go, you know, down and talk to someone else. There wasn't this mass, you know, connectivity where, you know, you can follow someone on Instagram halfway around the world and know what they're doing within the.

30 seconds of them posting it instantly or less, you know, maybe it's instantaneous. So the ability to be connected nowadays is so much greater, and so that allows information to fall back. Well, Casey, I wonder how that's zapped brain power overall, like , like that time alone of thinking, and I've, I've talked about this on my show a lot lately.

Like when I, and Glen, you're probably experienced this, why you're doing remodeling. Yeah. And construction. Your brain is just focused on that and you're so clear after that, like working eight hours or whatever. Because you're disconnected. Mm-hmm. , the most people aren't disconnected for any length of time anymore and I don't think they are even thinking the things or inventing the things that we could be.

Are we missing all kinds of opportunities because we're being consumed in the daily web of information? Yeah. We have no time to ourselves. Yeah. To just think. Think, absolutely. We, we know that anxiety and depression or first world problems like you, there was that Amazon Indigenous. Uh, tribe that was studied really in depth like a bunch recently.

There. It doesn't exist there. There's no, uh, besides organic, like mental health problems, like a, a tumorous process still exists, but, well, if people are interested in, in utilizing your services, Casey, and, and getting more information, I mean, throughout your information throughout, how do they get in touch with you all?

Yeah, so, um, uh, easiest website, uh, starting it down and forwarding, R e v K E T a.com. Rev ketta.com, and uh, we have a YouTube channel, we have Instagram, we have Facebook. All those places we just told people to avoid. Hey. Right, right. Yeah. Just like all my posts stay on there forever. Just, just case Casey, just my page and just Glen's page, nobody else's.

Okay, good, good stuff. And then you can call our clinic (928) 213-6931 or text us anytime. Uh, we'd be happy to get you in for a free 30 minute, uh, no obligation consultation, just to see if these treatments are a fit for you. Okay? Absolutely. And of course, if you want to get in touch with Glen, we'll be back next week.

Same time. Yep. Uh, you have additional podcasts available at Intelligent Investing. Uh, look up Intelligent Invest. Glenn Leest. Yep. Uh, any of your favorite podcast providers, uh, and, and he'd love you to subscribe and, and share that with everyone. And plus, give Glenn a call anytime, (928) 225-2474 or email intelligentinvesting@wtwealthmanagement.com.

That's intelligent investing@wtwealthmanagement.com. Yeah, and I want to include, uh, Jeff, that, um, you know, I'm one main focus is helping people. Portfolios, but that's not the only thing I do. Uh, I had a client that I was talking to yesterday, he's like, okay, I, I want to get some help, you know, with some life coaching.

Like, what are some, I need to make some big decisions. Yeah. You know, that relate to my finances. What do you think about this? You know, how do I pay up debt? How do I start saving, you know, you know, what do I need to do career wise? You know, should, is it a good idea to own a business or should I stay where I'm at?

So there's even math that I do as well, and that's for people hugely. Is helpful, or even they're wanting to get into real estate. Like, okay, you know, you're doing real estate right now. What are some things you wish you knew? Or who should I talk to that can help me wade those waters to have a lot of connections too?

So it's, it's really all encompassing what I do. So, yeah. Um, hopefully that people see that as a huge benefit and they're wanting to gimme a call for a number of reasons. Yeah. And you've covered all this, that's why you put this out there. Mm-hmm.  and there's a wealth of stuff at intelligent investing. Uh, look that up on your favorite podcast provider, Casey.

Thanks a lot. We'll see you soon. Thanks, gentlemen. Take care everyone.

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